BBC Radio 2 presenter Jonathon Ross has said he can't wait to get out of the BBC once his contract ends this summer.
He said in an interview with the Guardian newspaper he spoke about how the whole of the BBC has changed dramatically, which is a terrible shame.
The chat wasn't about the BBC, or his salary, or [i]that[/i] phone call, but he continued: "I can't begin to tell you the relief I feel. I don't want to speak ill of people at the BBC because I've loved working there, and I still love working with them. But at the same time, oh man, I can't wait to get out.
"I think it's a shame that the people running it are always trying to second-guess what the newspapers will say about them – and whatever the next government we wind up with will say about them. The experience of being there isn't quite the place it was. And it's a terrible, terrible shame."
He says one day he'll give a full account of the Sachsgate saga in all its "hilarious" detail, but at the moment he doesn't feel any need to, he says. "I don't feel I've got any scores that need settling. I can't complain about anything. I've had a great time at the BBC. But I've left companies before. It's just another company."
Ross will leave his BBC Radio 2 Saturday morning show and television programmes in the summer.